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08/07/2016 20:37:44

mj81
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In the 1871 census Fanny Roebuck (b 1834 Derwent, Derbyshire) is living with husband Charles Roebuck (FARMER) in Hepworth, together with daughter Ann Roebuck (b1858.) Charles dies in 1874. In the 1881/1891/1901/1911 census Fanny again appears - this time as HEAD/WIDOW/FARMER - her daughter Ann Roebuck remains with her. The issue is that Fanny is shown with the surname MOSLEY but I can find no record of a marriage. The only conclusion I can make is that Fanny remarried but was again widowed in the interim period (between 1874 and 1881) - but can find no no evidence to prove that.
Fanny died in Hepworth in August 1911 - the GRO and probate records show MOSLEY and she is laid to rest in Hepworth Wesleyan Cemetery with her original husband Charles and daughter Ann - the dates on the headstone agree with the probate record - but no surname is shown on the headstone.
Can anybody identify the missing husband and when a marriage took place?
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15/07/2016 08:54:44

davepattern
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There's a John Mosley (c.1831-1879) who was buried at Hepworth on 8 Oct 1879 who'd be about the right age to have married Fanny, but his probate record states his only next of kin was his widowed mother Mary (of Mount, Hepworth).


The only marriage I could spot online with the right surnames was between weaver Thomas Mosley (24) of Lockwood and spinster Emma Roebuck (25) of Almondbury on Christmas Day 1879 at Almondbury
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15/07/2016 13:12:46

mj81
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davepattern wrote:
There's a John Mosley (c.1831-1879) who was buried at Hepworth on 8 Oct 1879 who'd be about the right age to have married Fanny, but his probate record states his only next of kin was his widowed mother Mary (of Mount, Hepworth). The only marriage I could spot online with the right surnames was between weaver Thomas Mosley (24) of Lockwood and spinster Emma Roebuck (25) of Almondbury on Christmas Day 1879 at Almondbury

Thank you Dave - I had spotted that John Mosley (also buried in Hepworth Wesleyan Methodist Chapel) - but had not seen his probate record. The conundrum continues. Michael
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15/07/2016 13:17:08

ya jan
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Don't know whether it is worth pursuing but on the 1910 Land Tax it shows Fanny owning some property in Hepworth. On the same page is a Wilson Mosley, could this be a relative. Did this property come from Roebuck, Mosley or her own family which I think was Wilson, but i haven't time to verify at the moment.
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15/07/2016 13:59:23

mj81
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ya jan wrote:
Don't know whether it is worth pursuing but on the 1910 Land Tax it shows Fanny owning some property in Hepworth. On the same page is a Wilson Mosley, could this be a relative. Did this property come from Roebuck, Mosley or her own family which I think was Wilson, but i haven't time to verify at the moment.

That is interesting - I believe her family to be Wilson (have tentatively traced her back to Derwent as the daughter of a Gamekeeper) - in the 1851 census she is housekeeper to her elder brother (also a Gamekeeper) in Kimberworth. If this is the right person then I find it a stretch that a Gamekeeper's family could own property? Charles Roebuck (as with his brothers & father) were Woollen Manufacturers in Hepworth - possibly leasing Hepworth Mill still to be confirmed - then he turned farmer in the 1871 census .... so would have been a more likely property-owner. However the presence of a Wilson Mosley is another curious coincidence - I wonder whether Wilson's mother Mary was a Wilson? The Mosley's were farmers - so when Charles died and Fanny was left with a farm to manage it would be natural for her to look for a farmer as a partner. The conundrum continues.
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15/07/2016 20:23:16

davepattern
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Another little oddity -- the 1890 Electoral Register for the Hepworth Polling District has adjacent entries for both Fanny Mosley and Fanny Roebuck:



I can't spot an entry in the 1891 Register, but just Fanny Mosley seems to appear in the 1892 to 1911 registers.
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15/07/2016 23:28:04

mj81
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The mystery deepens. I am convinced the Fanny Mosley in the 1911 census & dies in 1911 is one and the same as Fanny Roebuck married to Charles Roebuck in 1871 census. All the evidence - even the house by Maingate Hepworth (1910 Tax Evaluation) - points to that. Do we have any earlier occupation voters rolls for the 1870s or 1880s? The list is alphabetical so does not help locate - she could have been entered twice I suppose.
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16/07/2016 00:56:36

davepattern
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I've definitely seen people entered twice before on the old registers, so I wouldn't discount it being for the same person. Apparently the 1888 County Council Act "gave women the vote at county and borough council elections", but I couldn't spot any female Mosleys or Roebucks listed in the 1887-89 Holmfirth registers, so the 1890 is the first appearance.
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16/07/2016 20:33:39

mj81
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Thanks for the update. Are Rate Books available for the Hepworth area? If so where are they held? If she married in Hepworth - were weddings carried out at the Wesleyan Chapel? If so are the records maintained? The only other avenue I can think of are wills....
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16/07/2016 21:18:08

davepattern
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Just had a look at Fanny Mosley's death again and John Frances Roebuck was one of the executors of her will. This must be the same John Frances Roebuck born 1854 (and died 1918) who was the son of Vincent Roebuck of Hepworth and his wife Frances (born c.1833 in Bridlington). Vincent's listed as being a timekeeper at a brick works in the 1871 Census, so this implies Frances = Fanny and the Fanny Mosley who died 1911 was John Frances' mother. Yet this is separate to the Fanny Roebuck (of almost the same age) living in Hepworth with Charles and daughter Ann in 1871 who then becomes the Fanny Mosley of the later censuses :-D

I'd say it'd be worth ordering a copy of the will as it should state the relationship between Fanny Mosley and her executors, and might provide other family details..
edited by davepattern on 16/07/2016
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18/07/2016 06:44:46

mj81
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Hi Dave - Vincent is Charles' younger brother. Both were involved in woollen manufacture till mid 1860s. Vincent & Frances are buried together in Hepworth Wesleyan. Frances died in 1903 - Fanny in 1911. Vincent was president of co-op in Hepworth in 1879. Land owned by Fanny was leased to the co-op in 1910. I agree though wills (and if available - rate books) are looking the best way forward. Thank you again.
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23/07/2016 11:16:30

ya jan
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Not sure whether this snippet is of interest but I have a copy of the book for the Centenary of Hepworth Coop and it has a page of photographs of some past presidents including John F Roebuck 1880 and Vincent Roebuck 1879.
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23/07/2016 16:32:16

mj81
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That is very interesting to me as Vincent is my direct relative (John Francis) his son. - how can I obtain a copy? I have recently obtained Fanny Roebuck/Mosley's will which identifies her daughter Ann Roebuck as her sole beneficiary.
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24/07/2016 11:29:33

ya jan
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The book Centenary of Hepworth Co-op is a book published in 1940. Since reading the reply and a further reply from another member interested in Hepworth I have decided to include these photographs and others in the October 2016 Journal in a story about our November Fair. Hopefully it will interest many members with Hepworth families. There will be about 100 names mentioned but only a dozen or so taken in a photograph.
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24/07/2016 13:29:16

mj81
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Look forward to the October Journal.
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